DRAFT Introduce CFFI-based Python bindings
Tomi Ollila
tomi.ollila at iki.fi
Sun Dec 3 04:37:43 PST 2017
On Wed, Nov 29 2017, Floris Bruynooghe wrote:
> David Bremner <david at tethera.net> writes:
>
>> Floris Bruynooghe <flub at devork.be> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Lastly there are some downsides to the choices I made:
>>> - I ended up going squarely for CPython 3.6+. Choosing Python
>>> 3 allowed better API design, e.g. with keyword-only parameters
>>> etc. Choosing CPython 3.4+ restricts the madness that can
>>> happen with __del__ and gives some newer (tho now unused)
>>> features in weakref.finalizer.
>>> - This is no longer drop-in compatible.
>>> - I haven't got to a stage where my initial goal of speed has
>>> been proven yet.
>>
>> I guess you'll have to convince the maintainers / users of alot and afew
>> that this makes sense before we go much further. I'd point out that
>> Debian stable is only at python 3.5, so that makes me a bit wary of this
>> (being able to run the test suite on debian stable and similar aged
>> distros useful for me, and I suspect other developers).
>>
>> I know there are issues with memory management in the current bindings,
>> so that may be a strong reason to push to python 3.6; it seems to need
>> more investigation at the moment.
>
> So on earlier Python versions, sure this is possible at not too much
> cost.
>
> - Python 3.4+ would just cost the use of some f-strings. Not major, was
> just nice to use.
> - Python <3.4 afaik would only need a tweak to the Database.tags and
> Message.tags properties. I *think* swapping the caching of these
> using a weakref should suffice and not break the brittle
> Python-libnotmuch memory management.
> Mind you I think Python 3.0-3.3 are pretty old and not much point in
> supporting them. But this would also apply for 2.7 support.
> - Python 2.7 is probably the worst, in that keyword-only arguments would
> be gone. If python 2.7 is required I'd be much keener to have another
> go at a drop-in replacement with the memory safety features and then
> build the "notdb" API on top off it. But for that to be worth it
> people need to be convinced enough that maintaining a CFFI version is
> nicer than a ctypes version I guess.
IMO Python 3.4+ would be OK, if python 2 support can be dropped.
Even Ubuntu 14.04 has python 3.4. One notable distribution that has
Python 3.3 by default is RHEL 7, but there seems to be quite a few
packaged alternatives available...
>
> Kind regards,
> Floris
Tomi
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